Events unfold

[Fia]

Fia shrugs, "I meant no offense to you or your guests, simply offered a quick solution to a problem that is dragging on. They all had the option to decline my offer, I would not force anyone in this instance. But if it will cause offense and more harm, I retract my offer." Fia nods her head deferentially in Jaak's direction and returns to her dirt patterns.

[Galahad]

Jun 29, 2016 17:55:10 GMT Jaak Alemayehu, Shango Kholo said:

"I shall deal with Tyr directly.

I do not appreciate the slight to my honour, Reeve. I deal with issues directly. Lies and extortion provoke the Beast, and I have no patience dealing with either."

*grinds teeth*

"Since no support is found for the casual explanation given, boons are fair. If either the Duke or Baron wish to support their story with their status, I will cancel the Herald's boon for that individual.

I will also point out, Reeve, as we have discussed, the Duke still owes me a boon from 2 years ago. I think that would be much more important for me to focus on than staging a weak extortion attempt."

I am not aware of any boon owed to you. For what service did you allegedly provide to me that I would owe you anything? 

[Jaak Alemayehu, Shango Kholo]

"Why, Gallahad, you swore to the Baroness and I repayment for retrieving the lantern stolen by the Infernalist, at the Gather you hosted."

[Fia]

Fia stands up and dusts herself off, "well I don't know about the rest of you, but I am going to see if I can find Tyr."

She turns to Gunnar, "as we seem to be having difficulty agreeing on whether or not infernalists were involved will you be joining me in the hunt? "

[Gunnar Voldemon]

Gunnar shakes his head at this whole mess. Sighing, he turns away from this debacle and stalks away to the woods. "Boons and blood, it matters not what we think or believe. We were not present in the building and do not know. So I will seek out Tyr Valkas and find the truth from him." And with that he shifts into his flight form of the great owl and disappears into the night sky.

[Galahad]

I did no such thing. I arranged payment to the Baroness for her services of safe return of the lantern. She and She alone presented herself to me with the lantern. You were nowhere to be found and thus I will not reward actions that I have no knowledge of them taking place. I am aware that Morgan, Riccar and Johan took part in this battle. At no point until very recently was there even mention of yourself being apart of this fight. I will award you nothing. Further more onto the matter at immediate hand.

Herald:
I am insulted at Jaak's statements of him calling me a liar in way of questioning me in regards to the actions that resulted in the damage to his domain with the brief battle that ensued upon finding out that Tyr has be affected by the infernalist that appeared. As I hold the status of Regal and he does not, I demand that you declare him warned for his insults. Jaak is demanding boons for us fighting an infernalist in his domain which goes directly against the Ardris orders that no boons shall be given in pursuit of the infernalists, I am willing for forgive this transgression should he award a major boon to ever member of Libach that was present by way of apologizes.

(grants Jaak a few moments to speak and if he starts to speak anything that is not awarding Libach boons see below for high clan status)

I will expend my high clan status Jaak remove yourself from my prescience at once you have no further place in this conversation. Begone.

turns to ISIS and locks eye on her:
Mother Isis Libach has been friends to your city for many years. When misunderstanding nearly brought you to blows with your fellow Cainites, who stood up for you? Who has always been ready to stand for you and your city to keep it free and prosperous? What purpose could there possibly be that would make us want to disrupt that?

I call into question Isis' and Fia's abilities to detect infernalist presence for the sole reason that Both Gunner and I have been directly touched by the infernalist Nicimedies (however you spell it) and they both claim that there is no trace of infernal presence, I ask you all as a collective group why would they both lie about this when there is clearly proof that there is an infernal prescience lingering? Any kind of contact with this infernal power will make you do strange things and lie to protect it. I demand that both ISIS and Fia submit to determine if they are in fact infected themselves and not here to assist whatever was possessing Tyr in their attempts to destroy Libach.

[Sokrates Salonikas]

(ooc: might need an ST ruling but the following is my interpretation of Builder)

Respectfully, Duke Galahad, while in any other context you would be absolutely correct, Jaak holds the status of Builder in this place and as such outranks even a Duke while he stands in it. He cannot be punished for anything he does while in it and so I cannot Warn him here, much as I may personally may or may not wish to do so. Insulted though you may be, and for good reason in light of the vast gulf that exists between your respective stations, by the laws of our kind he can say or do whatever he likes in this place, and I am but a humble enforcer of said laws. I should point out that the insult remains regardless of punishment, and that you are free to feel offended, and that he does not enjoy such protections outside of this place. These things are facts, but at this time this is a hill of futile assault. (ooc: unless Builder doesn't cover this, but if it does, there you have it)

Further to his demands:

I DID NOT impose the ruling I did because you were fighting the infernal. That is a worthy and laudable goal indeed, and one we are all charged to uphold. However, we are all called upon to many other things, and those things cannot fall by the wayside simply because we feel the ends justify the means. I made my ruling because the TRADITION of DOMAIN had been breached. The why of it does not matter. It could have been a drunken wager over whose Potence was mightier. It could have been a wild and unbridled orgy involving a dozen Toreador rentboys. It could have been a pitched battle with the infernal. I, and the law, DO NOT CARE. This sword cuts both ways. Had this situation occurred in your domain, the ruling would have been the same. When next we meet in Laibach, should anyone among us scuff your fine carpets, they will see the same ruling from me, as we will then be your guests, as we are now his guests. You will note that I decreed the same punishment to ALL CONCERNED, including members of his own Free City (ooc: ignore Ricchar from that previous statement as he says he was gone by then, although the STs had listed him among those present.) As I said, I am merely a humble enforcer of our laws. Manners maketh man, and decorum and proper behaviour shall not receive short shrift for the sake of expediency. All of you, fight as you must, but do it cleanly, or suffer the consequences. Collateral damage will not be ignored by my office.

(This is to everyone in general, not Galahad specifically)

Fight politely. I know that seems like a paradox. It is perhaps better to say fight smartly. Any one among us here has a dozen different ways to end a conflict quickly and efficiently. If you do not, then run and find someone who does. Think on your abilities and use them, all of them, to their fullest advantage. Think outside the proverbial box, as it were. This particular situation, for example, appears to be the result of frenzy. That is an unacceptable situation and completely the responsibility of the raving individual themselves. The Beast lies within all of us and if you are not capable of mastering it, you are not fit for polite company. Do not attend the rest of us in proper society unless you can. I know this has been happening more and more of late, and it must stop. Ensure that you feed appropriately, and master yourself before the rest of us are forced to do it for you. You are no better than a rutting beast in frenzy, and will be treated as such.

Now, as regards the other matter at hand:

I can only act on the information I am given, and from his account of events Jaak claims that you did promise repayment to both him and the Baroness in front of an assemblage of all the other Dukes and Barons at which the Reeve and Doge were also present. I myself was not present at this meeting so that is the current understanding I have of his claim. If anyone steps forward and corroborates his statements, then it shall be supported. If not, then I am forced to consider the relative positions involved and in this your word carries more weight. Jaak also claims to have the support of the Reeve in this matter, who he says feels nothing less than a Blood Boon would be appropriate for the blood expended in the task. Incidentally, if you feel (rightly so) that it is our collective duty to battle the infernal, and if this entire lantern situation was an infernal matter, then why reward the Baroness for something she should have been doing for free? You yourself set that precedent, so if he was there and his claims have veracity, then you do owe him as you owed her. If this is not the case, then rest assured there will be a far greater penalty to him for trifling with my office and wasting my time. I give until the time of next gather for appropriate witnesses and evidence to be produced to either confirm or deny his account, and I shall rule on this then.

However, my previous ruling on the breach of his domain stands, as I have stated above. I have told you all why I did what I did for reasons of transparency, even though I really do not have to and could in fact view this as questioning said ruling. So, going forward, does anyone yet still question this decree?

I must apologise for the inconvenience to your august person, Duke Galahad. Would that the mire and muck of politics not sully the boots of the high among us so often. I offer a minor boon from myself for your time and attention spent addressing these matters when you have so much more pressing concerns on your attention as Duke.

[Galahad]

I accept your boon for the reasons you have stated however I will not be coursed or have any member of my delegation coursed into paying a debt that is not ours to pay. It was clear as a full moons night who broke the wall of his half build cesspool he calls a domain. I will not give any such payment for Tyr's actions as he was the one that broke through the wall. Should Jaak have an issue with that then he can feel free to address me at the next gather regarding this issue. I will of course have a bag of sand he can go off into a corner and pound until he feels satisfied such as the wounded infant he is choosing to portray.

The boon awarded to the Baroness is of no consequence to Jaak and or any other members of the gather as it was a currency exchange between 2 Canites. You as Herald should be well versed in these dealings. Should every boon I traded or award become public knowledge via your hands then I demand that you provide me a list of every single boon owed to every other Canite in the Kingdom.

[Sokrates Salonikas]

If you consider upholding the laws of our kind coercion, laws set down by Caine himself as he left the garden, then that is a peculiar definition indeed. You and yours are not held to account for Tyr's actions, merely your own as we can infer from the aftermath. All of you emerged from that stable dishevelled and in a state of disarray, as though combat had taken place. (ooc: from ST description) This indicates you were involved. Were you tickling each other in there? A rousing Laibach group hug? Pitched battle with the infernal? I, and the law, DO NOT CARE. Unless you have some alternative explanation for your presence and conduct in that room that indicates you were an innocent bystander playing Nine Men's Morris in the corner while all of this ensued, then you have breached his domain. You may call it a cesspool, but it is HIS cesspool. As I have said, the exact same conditions apply in your domains as well. My office does not favour any one over another.

These are not the rulings of Jaak of Trieste. They are the rulings of the Herald of Gaul, which you have repeatedly questioned and refuse to accept, which by the authority of my office means you now stand WARNED. (ooc: passive, Insightful) I have done nothing that is beyond the purview and responsibilities of my office as granted to me by the Grand Chamberlain, and through her by the Ard Rhi himself. You are free to take up that decision with either or both of those persons at your convenience. Until then, I will continue to discharge the duties of this office as I see fit according to the laws of our kind.

Now, in deference to the undeniably exalted station you hold in our domain, and by the strong personal regard I hold for the fellow High Clan Ventrue, I remove WARNED and you no longer stand as such. Also, although we should all know better, I submit that there may be those among us not accustomed to the presence of a strong Herald's office. All should consider this an object lesson. You might not like what I have to say, but the powers I claim and wield in the name of our domain are legal and binding, and you will not ignore them. I am a factor in this and all conversations, and I can either be your best friend or the thorniest thorn that ever did lodge in your side. You may choose to oppose me, or work with me to ensure the unity of the Ard Rhi's domain, but you sure as shooting will not ignore me or disregard what I have to say.

The Herald has spoken. The ruling stands.

[Galahad]

OOC at this point i am on hold until i hear back from the STs

[Sokrates Salonikas]

OOC yeah fair enough, this is getting complicated. Good play though, stir things up man.

[Sokrates Salonikas]

Jul 3, 2016 15:56:24 GMT Galahad said:

I did no such thing. I arranged payment to the Baroness for her services of safe return of the lantern. She and She alone presented herself to me with the lantern. You were nowhere to be found and thus I will not reward actions that I have no knowledge of them taking place. I am aware that Morgan, Riccar and Johan took part in this battle. At no point until very recently was there even mention of yourself being apart of this fight. I will award you nothing. Further more onto the matter at immediate hand.

(ooc: this should go with the last bit I posted there, sorry.)


I should note that I did not reveal your dealings to anyone.  You yourself made that part of the public conversation from your own mouth when you spoke, as noted above.  The sanctity of our dealings is of course well known to me and I do take such matters seriously.  I sincerely hope you are not suggesting otherwise.

[Jaak Alemayehu, Shango Kholo]

(ooc: I've been spending the day with my children and unable to reply until now)

"Duke Gallahad, as we are in my domain, I do not believe I shall leave your presence. If this conversation is too difficult for you to handle without having your feelings hurt, then you are free to leave."

Jun 29, 2016 17:04:46 GMT Jaak Alemayehu, Shango Kholo said:

"Sokrates, may I have your advice on this matter? An altercation between Kagn's Children occurred in my Domain, resulting in damages. Unless Duke Gallahad or Baron Raqqa choose to expend status to strengthen their explanation, I can not accept the explanation as sound.

In my lands, I would charge all involved a Major Boon and consider the matter settled. Is this likewise appropriate in Gaul?"

"For the matter at hand, I have made no accusations of my own. I provided opportunity for you or the Baron to use your status in lieu of supporting evidence; why you have chosen not to do so, I will not speculate.

I deal with facts, not speculations.

Why you do not recall my involvement in retreiving the lantern your vassals allowed to be taken, I can not speculate. You looked me directly in the eyes while speaking with the Baroness.

Why your vassals had not informed you of my involvement until recently, is not my business. That is between you and they to determine the reasons that information was not shared with you.

As a foreigner to your lands, I rely on the Herald and Reeve to explain customs & rules on these matters. I have accepted the Herald's ruling on these two matters. As far as I'm concerned, the matter seems simple and closed. Johan has also accepted the Herald's ruling. Any dispute you have on these rulings, is between yourself and the Herald.

Likewise, any dispute you have with the Doge, is between the two of you and also not my concern."

[Storyteller]

Jaak is the Laird of the building as such he is immune to punishment within the walls of this building.

[Johan the Smith]

Hearing his name used, the gargoyle steps forward once more, waiting for a gap in the conversation before speaking again.

"Again Herald, if I may pontificate a bit. The current argument between jaak and my duke seems to be a matter of status more than anything else. Without the status of Builder, the ruling seems quite clear, but with it, the waters are much more muddied, I'm sure you'll agree."

"On a related note, I'd like to congratulate you on your own Builder status. As someone who readily admits their lack of overall knowledge, i find the thought of such a grand structure full of parchment and bound books to be a marvellous thing, a true addition to the prestige of your domain, and well worth the respect and admiration of Cain it's all through Gaul, and beyond."

"In comparison to that, looking around here for instance, I see a rather simple guard tower, an even simpler stable, and the foundation for an inn, which may indeed be grand with some work. Jaak himself apologized at the beginning of the gather for its incomplete status, forcing the guests to this duke Dom to remain outside most of the evening. I myself recently found myself kneeling in a most in convenient puddle, no more than an hour ago. Perhaps it is simply a matter of expectation, and that you have done such an exemplary job yourself, but I had believed that one had to work harder to earn the status of builder, or at least complete the structure in question."

"Perhaps I have spoken too long, and for that I apologize once more, but I am curious as to your thoughts on this disparity."

((OOC Short version: I am pretty sure jaak does not yet hold the status that he's protecting himself with, by his own admission.))